Infant Circumcision vs. Adult Circumcision: Why Waiting Is Best
17 January, 201428 Min Read
Let’s talk about infant vs. adult circumcision, using available scientific data to openly and honestly assess the pros and cons.
Most of the details require that you just rely on plain ol’ common sense, because, like so many other areas of controversy, studies on both sides of the fence tend to be partial, dated or lacking.
One of the reasons why studies on infant circumcision are so few and far between is because just like studies on child abuse and abortion, conducting routine studies on infant circumcision is considered unethical. In J. Landers 1997 study published in The American Medical Association Journal, “Comparison of Ring Block, Dorsal Penile Nerve Block, and Topical Anesthesia for Neonatal Circumcision”, researchers found circumcision so traumatic to infants that they ended the study early rather than subject any more infants to the operation.
Which raises it’s own flurry of questions, such as: Why the eff would “loving” parents subject their newborn children to something so barbaric and traumatic when, at it’s very core, infant circumcision is considered medically unethical and medically unnecessary?
But my focus here is not to demonize circumcision (I think it does that to itself). Instead it’s to focus on the WHEN of circumcision. I’m going to address the issue as though circumcision were inevitably going to happen – through a parent taking that personal choice from their son, or out of medical necessity (which, statistics show a child is more likely to die from his infant circumcision than he is to actually ever need one out of medical necessity, btw). This is simply a guide to compare the differences between infant and adult circumcision and the risks and benefits each entails.
Complications and Safety
There is a heightened risk of choking and breathing difficulties during the procedure for infants.
During infant circumcision, heart rate increases to a dangerous level of 1.5 times the safe baseline rate. Because of, and in addition to the abnormal strain on their hearts, infants circumcised using the full extent of local anesthesia available for their age experience a heightened risk of choking and difficulty breathing. (This is based on a study conducted by R. Goldman, “The Psychological Impact Of Circumcision” through the Circumcision Resource Center in Boston.) There is little to no risk of raised heart rate, choking and breathing difficulties during the procedure for adults. There are dangerous alterations in cortisol levels in infants. In routine infant circumcision, without fail, blood cortisol levels in infants increase by 3 to 4 times the healthy amount and stay that way for up to a year after the procedure. Cortisol is known as “the stress hormone”. According to the US National Library of Medicine and Health, cortisol levels of this rate in infants WILL (not might, WILL) negatively affect learning and memory. This is according to the study, “The Effects of Infant Circumcision on Serum Cortisol and Behavior” by the Institute of Child Development and the Department of Pediatrics. While a surgery of any nature can induce stress in adults, it is unheard of to have a shock inducing cortisol flood to this degree in adult circumcision.
Infants face an extremely high risk of neurotic shock.
While the number of just how many babies go into shock is not known (we’re back to that whole pesky, mutilating babies genitals is unethical issue), based on observations from Darcia Narvaez, PhD, writing for Psychology Today, following Dr. Lander’s 1997 studies, up to 95% of infants experience neurotic shock during circumcision, and many go into actual seizures – both conditions that do not legally have to be disclosed to the parents. When shock occurs, the infant slips into a semi-comatose state in order to physically survive the extreme pain and trauma. His nervous system is literally marching towards death, and is kicking into it’s final survival mode. For the following weeks and months, to recover from the shock, the baby is placed into a biological recovery state, which includes deep depressive-state sleep – a condition that adults are often hospitalized for. Because adults have access to local anesthesia that fully blocks the pain of circumcision, shock and seizures are so rare, that there is not a single case recorded of an adult going into shock during his circumcision.
Infants will, without fail, experience psychological trauma that lasts into childhood.
A team of Canadian researchers produced new evidence that circumcision has long lasting traumatic effects. An article published in the International Medical Journal, The Lancet reported the effect of infant circumcision on pain response during subsequent routine vaccinations. The researchers tested infants at 4 months or 6 months of age. The boys who had been circumcised were without fail extremely more sensitive to pain than the uncircumcised boys, and displayed signs of detachment and aversion to touch that is commonly found in victims of abuse or molestation. The differences between circumcised and uncircumcised groups were significant regarding facial action, crying time, and assessments of pain. Adults entering circumcision as an informed choice are obviously living lives built on childhoods that did not start with a foundation of unnecessary genital mutilation and the pain, fear and growth stunting that that entails.
An article titled “The Psychological Impact of Circumcision” by R. Goldman reports that circumcision results in behavioral changes in infants and long-term psychological effects that last well into adulthood. The piece reviews the medical literature on infants’ responses to circumcision and concludes, “There is strong evidence that infant circumcision is overwhelmingly painful and traumatic.” The article notes that infants, without fail, exhibit behavioral changes after circumcision, which have been shown to disrupt the mother and father infant bond. Uncircumcised adults choosing circumcision, obviously, did not have the parent-infant bond interrupted by a festering genital wound, and the psychological damage that goes along with it.
Circumcision alters infant’s brains.
The brain of the newborn infant is particularly vulnerable to early adverse experiences, leading to abnormal development and behavior. The shifts circumcision causes in the infant brain are the same as when an infant undergoes maternal separation, sensory isolation, and exposure to extreme pain – all of which alter brain development. In medical journals, circumcision is described as a procedure with long-term neurobehavioral effects. These changes promote behavioral types characterized by increased anxiety, altered pain sensitivity, stress disorders, hyperactivity / attention deficit disorder, all leading to impaired social skills and patterns of self-destructive behavior. The clinical importance of these mechanisms lies in the prevention of early adverse experiences and effective treatment of newborn pain and stress. (Sooo, chopping up your baby’s sensitive sex organ is definitely out.) There are literally DOZENS of studies with all of the details of this undeniable fact, but a good summary can be found in Anand, K. and Scalzo’s 2000 study, “Can Adverse Neonatal Experiences Alter Brain Development and Subsequent Behavior?” Furthermore, neurologists who saw the results of post-circumcision brain alterations postulated that the data indicated that circumcision affected most intensely the portions of the victim’s brain associated with reasoning, perception and emotions. Follow up tests on infants one day, one week and one month after the surgery indicated that the children’s brains never returned to their baseline configurations. In other words, the evidence generated by this research indicated that the brain of the circumcised infant was permanently changed by the surgery. Again, clearly this is not a risk for a mature, grown man, making an informed decision that does not result in brain shifting trauma.
There are minimal measures to restore loss of blood to infants during circumcision.
If there is bleeding complications in infants (which is common when amputating a body part), it is dangerous and life threatening to address at this age. And keep in mind, it only takes 2.3 oz of blood loss to kill an infant. According to the Stanford School of Medicine, when bleeding complications arise, because of the close proximity of the urethra to the ventral surface of the penis, great care must be taken with any clamping in this area. Too aggressive measures can lead to necrosis of the fragile tissue and the creation of a urethrocutaneous fistula, or a clamp that crushes and severs the entire penis. Bleeding complications are easier in adults since significantly more blood must be lost for a fatality, and clamping a fully grown, adult penis does not entail the risk of severing the entire organ.
Infant genital wounds have a higher rate of infections than adults.
Because newborns are relatively immunocompromised, infections in infants can become serious problems. Meningitis, necrotizing fascitis, gangrene, and sepsis have all been commonly reported as complications of infected circumcision sites in infants. Furthermore, infections of any kind in infants are more serious and life threatening than with adults. In addition to a higher risk of infection, infants face a higher risk of abnormal bleeding, removal of too much skin, loss of all or part of the glans, urinary problems, and even death. Adults, with mature immune systems, do not face the life threatening and dangerous complications and risks of infection that infants do.
Infants do not have access to a full range of heavy antibiotics or other life saving measures if a complication does arise.
With adults, infection can be treated with local or parenteral antibiotics, depending on the severity of the infection. This is not as available to infants. Doctors wait until a life-threatening condition arises before considering dosing heavy antibiotics to infants, because use of antibiotics causes permanent changes in the gut flora, and infants given antibiotics start their life not only with the traumatic life threatening experience of circumcision, but also with a significantly altered and insufficient level of friendly gut flora. This is a serious concern because lack of diversity in friendly gut bacteria has been shown to contribute to a large number of diseases and complications that last well into adulthood. Adults, however, with fully mature digestive tracts, have full access to antibiotics and life saving measures should complications arise.
Infants face a high risk of surgically induced phimosis with circumcision.
In the uncircumcised newborn, phimosis (an inability to retract the foreskin) is physiologically normal. When circumcision is performed on a boy with penile web or buried penis – which is common in newborns – the circumferential edge can pull together in a purse-string fashion and result in the penis being trapped under the circumcision site, creating a secondary phimosis. Surgical correction is then required. There is zero risk of this happening in adult circumcision, as the penis is fully grown when altered.
The odds of “botched” circumcisions are dramatically higher in infants.
One reason aesthetic damage is so common is that the baby’s penis is tiny compared to the man’s. Any mishap is enlarged. According to Greene Broillet Law Firm, over 14,400 babies are seriously injured every year in botched circumcisions (and are beginning to sue their parents and doctors into adulthood!). Meanwhile, adult circumcision, being conducted on a fully grown penis, is so rare as to be unheard of.
Infants face a risk of amputation of the glans.
This is a devastating complication of circumcision that has a higher likelihood of occurring than your child has of dying of SIDs. This occurs with inappropriate placement of circumcision tools on your squirming baby thrashing for his life. The instrument designed to forcibly peel back the attached foreskin (attached in the same way your nail is attached to your finger), sometimes allows all or part of the glans into the area of compression, whereupon amputation will occur. This is not a risk for adults, as they are calmly anesthetized during the procedure (not thrashing in fear) and they have fully grown genitalia that provides full precision during the circumcision.
Infants face a higher risk of death.
A new study published in Thymos: Journal of Boyhood Studies estimates that more than 100 baby boys die from circumcision complications each year. This number does not include all the common complications that occur from anesthesia reaction, stroke, hemorrhage, and infection. Because infant circumcision is elective, all of these deaths are avoidable. Adult circumcision deaths are so unheard of, that I could not find a single example of one occurring in the last decade.
Evidence overwhelmingly shows that adult circumcision is safer, with far less complications than infant circumcision. If safety is a priority or determining factor for the circumcision you are considering forcing on your son, common sense dictates that you should wait until your son is older and his genitals have fully matured before needlessly altering them. Infant circumcision literally offers no benefits in the area of safety and complications.
Pain Management
Circumcision is far more painful to infants than to adults.
Anatomical, neurochemical, physiological and behavioral studies overwhelmingly confirm that newborn responses to pain exceed that of adults. No anesthetic currently in use for infant circumcisions is effective during the most painful parts of the procedure. Infants circumcised using the full extent of local anesthesia available for their age all experience lasting negative effects hormonal and neurologically (see details in safety and complications above.) Meanwhile, adult male circumcision is an easy, painless procedure. You can read online accounts of men who have had adult circumcisions and almost without fail, they report that there was NO pain (they are awake and talking and joking through the procedure). Peruse through the Men’s Health forum and try to find just ONE account that rivals the experience an infant has with circumcision.
Infants experience long lasting changes in pain receptors during circumcision.
In A. Taddio’s study of infant pain in, “Effect of Neonatal Circumcision on Pain Response”, the author states that “neonatal circumcision may induce long-lasting changes in infant pain behavior because of alterations in the infant’s central neural processing of painful stimuli.” He also writes that “the long-term consequences of surgery done with such meager anaesthesia are likely to include post-traumatic stress as well as pain.” In the study, it is outlined how circumcised infants have a greater fear of and response to pain than uncircumcised infants, and that the reactions of circumcised infants to pain may represent an infant analogue of a post-traumatic stress disorder triggered by his traumatic and painful event. Adults with fully matured bodies, experience literally no change or shift in their neural processing of painful stimuli.
Infants are not potty trained, and as such cannot help but urinate and defecate on their open wound.
As mentioned above in safety and complications, a circumcised child is open to infection – including a greater risk of UTI’s. This is largely because a child cannot control when they need to poop or pee. This is really just common sense. Having a sensitive internal organ that was designed by a Master Creator to be protected by a body part that is then pointlessly ripped off, and leaving the wound open to feces, urine and bacteria in the warm incubator of a dirty diaper increases the risk of infection. Meanwhile, an adult who can hold his bladder or bowels and not defecate all over his open wound does not have this problem.
Healing time is far longer for infants than it is for adults.
It makes me laugh, like literal LOL when ignorant parents say a circumcised penis is “easier to care for”. With an uncircumcised penis, you wipe what you see, and that’s it. Literally no special care. Once the foreskin retracts naturally, your son will be at an age to take care of his own manhood, thank you very much. Meanwhile, parents of circumcised boys get to mop up blood (wounds are notorious for ripping open with squirming infants), wipe liquid poo off of an open wound, and carefully apply petroleum jelly (which is HORRIBLE for sensitive infant skin) on the wound site after each diaper change (around 7 to 10 a day, btw) for upwards of 6 months. So much for circumcision making care easier. Meanwhile, recovery time is faster with adult circumcision. Barring any complications, a man can go back to his normal routine within a day or two after circumcision.
Infants cannot take follow up pain medication.
With all amputations, the patient should be given analgesics or oral narcotics afterwards. This is not an option for babies with such immature digestive tracts and systems that applying sunscreen to their skin or giving them honey can literally kill them. The “child safe” local anesthetics provided for infants does not work on their post-operative pain, especially that caused by urinating on an open wound in a diaper. Meanwhile, adult men can take pain medication for circumcision, in such heavy doses they can actually sleep through the discomfort of night time erections.
Evidence overwhelmingly shows that adult circumcision is less painful, with faster recovery time and posing no long term harm or damage, unlike infant circumcision. If pain management and overall health is a priority or determining factor for the circumcision you are considering forcing on your son, common sense dictates that you should wait until your son has reached adulthood and his genitals have fully matured before needlessly altering them. Infant circumcision literally offers no benefits in the area of pain management.
Hygiene
A circumcised penis requires more care in infants, making hygiene difficult to maintain for parents.
The circumcised penis requires more care than the natural penis during the first three years of life, according to a report in the British Journal of Urology. The clinical findings of an American pediatrician, Van Howe, R. in his study, “Variability in Penile Appearance and Penile Findings: A Prospective Study”, showed that circumcised boys were significantly more likely to have skin adhesions, trapped debris, irritated urinary opening, and inflammation of the glans (head of the penis) than were boys with a foreskin. This bears repeating: It makes me laugh, like literal LOL when ignorant parents say a circumcised penis is “easier to care for”. With an uncircumcised penis, you wipe what you see, and that’s it. Literally no special care. Once the foreskin retracts naturally, your son will be at an age to take care of his own manhood, thank you very much. Meanwhile, parents of circumcised boys get to mop up blood (wounds are notorious for ripping open with squirming infants), wipe liquid poo off of an open wound, and carefully apply petroleum jelly (which is HORRIBLE for sensitive infant skin) on the wound site after each diaper change (around 7 to 10 a day, btw) for upwards of 6 months. So much for circumcision making care easier. With an adult circumcision, the consenting man is fully capable of taking care of his own healing penis, with the aid of pain medications, self-control and being potty trained helping his recovery time.
Due to the unhygienic conditions of infant circumcision, infants face increased risk of meatitis.
Infants urinate and defecate on their open wound, and the wound is left to fester in a warm, moist, bacteria breeding playground (the diaper). When the urethral opening becomes red and inflamed, the condition is known as meatitis. This condition effect upwards of 2 out of every 10 circumcised boys. Dressing the circumcision site with an emollient (petroleum jelly or antibiotic ointment) after circumcision is a way to minimize irritation and prevent this problem, however, the most effective methods like antibiotics, are not permissible with infants (only adults) and the jelly is not healthy for infant skin. This is not a condition that is known to affect grown men, since meatitis is only caused by chronic exposure to urine and irritation associated with wearing diapers.
Parents do not have to deal with their infants smegma.
If smegma is a concern for you, know that you won’t see your sons, any more than you will see your daughters (in fact, you’ll actually see a lot of your daughters). Not till the foreskin naturally retracts (sometimes as late as pre-teen years) will parents come into contact with it, and by then, your son can clean himself. Smegma, I might add, is not bad, in fact it is good. God created it for a reason. Girls produce far more smegma than boys (smegma that parents deal with from day one), and yet they are not subjected to genital mutilation. Since smegma is not “an issue” till your son can take care of himself and can start to make his own choices, the “circumcising to decrease smegma” argument is null and void. There is no reason to expose an infant to the cruelty and risks of infant circumcision for a perceived issue that will not be relevant till years later, when your son can make his own informed decision on the matter and his penis is none of your concern.
Evidence overwhelmingly shows that infant circumcision is far less sanitary and hygienic than adult circumcision. If hygiene and smegma production is a priority or determining factor for the circumcision you are considering forcing on your son, common sense dictates that you should therefore circumcise your daughters (and to the moms), circumcise yourself. It you are not willing to mutilate your own genitals, then wait until your son is older and his genitals start producing smegma that he deals with (not you), and let him be the judge of what is more hygienic, before needlessly altering his intimate parts. Infant circumcision literally offers no benefits to parents or baby in the realm of hygiene.
UTIs
UTIs are more common in circumcised babies than in uncircumcised babies.
This is a hotly debated issue, with studies on both sides grossly inflating numbers and producing slanted results. (Just as in the abortion debate you have doctors swearing a fetus is just a blob of tissue, and other doctors swearing that the fetus has a heartbeat and is very much alive.) Just because a doctor conducts a slanted study for more sales (of abortion or genital mutilation), doesn’t mean his results are accurate when he’s got a vested interest. So let’s just use some common sense. What is the number one cause of UTIs? Medical science emphatically agrees, it is caused by bacterial infection. Since the glans (head of the penis) is delicate in circumcised infants and has not yet keratinized – formed an abnormal callous to try and self-heal the wounds – it is especially susceptible to bacterial infections. If UTIs are a serious concern for your sons health, you should NOT circumcise him as an infant / child or you are actually increasing his risk of UTIs in his childhood, when the condition is most serious. It goes without saying that the frequencies of local infections, hemorrhage and surgical trauma are infinitely higher in circumcised infants, than in adults who choose circumcision later in life.
Circumcision does not “cure” UTI’s in infants.
We mentioned above that it actually makes boys prone to infections during childhood, however it’s important to note that circumcision does not make your child immune to UTI’s at any point in his life. The fact is, more girls get UTI’s than boys, and doctors do not prescribe genital mutilation as the answer. Likewise, circumcision does not “cure” UTI’s in adults, either.
Evidence overwhelmingly shows that infant circumcision is a common cause of UTI’s and not a cure for it. If UTI’s and overall health is a priority or determining factor for the circumcision you are considering forcing on your son, then common sense dictates that you should therefore circumcise your daughters (and to the moms), circumcise yourself. It you are not willing to mutilate your own genitals for a grossly inflated “benefit” regarding UTI’s, then you should wait until your son is older and he can make his own decisions regarding his health before needlessly altering his genitals. Infant circumcision literally offers no benefits in the area of UTI’s.
Appearance
Accuracy in the surgery is much lower for babies.
Obviously, with a baby, there’s less skin, more painful thrashing, and more blood curdling screaming going on than in your average cosmetic surgery (well, until the baby goes into a coma state shock, that is). Room for error, that results in bowed penises, tight skin bridges that shorten overall growth and so on, are much higher for infants. It goes without saying that having an awake, not in shock man, who is not experiencing the height of terror with a raw, immature nervous system, accuracy is increased and accidents are decreased in adult circumcision.
Infants have an increased risk of abnormal skin bridges on the penis.
The likelihood of having abnormal skin bridges are higher in infants than in adults. During the process of circumcision, these adhesions need to be lysed in order for the foreskin to be completely removed. If adhesions are not completely removed, the circumcised edge of the foreskin may be drawn up over one section of the corona and create an asymmetric appearance. Skin bridges are areas of skin that extend from the circumcision edge back onto the glans. Because the skin is so young and new and fresh (your baby is still growing at the rapid rate that he was in the womb, and will continue to grow rapidly for the next few years), the skin tries to readhere. (Its almost like it’s supposed to be there or something.) This is a common problem in infants, because their penis is so small, it is hard to be precise. Once circumcised, because the area under the bridge is unattached, debris can collect underneath and create a problem with hygiene. This is not a risk with adults. With mature genitals, precision in the surgery eliminates risks of “botched” circumcisions and abnormal healing common with infants.
Evidence overwhelmingly shows that if you feel that a circumcised penis “looks better”, then performing the cosmetic surgery on an infant is NOT the time to do it. If appearance is a priority or determining factor for the circumcision you are considering forcing on your son, then common sense dictates that you should wait until your son is older and his penis is fully grown before working on it. Altering it now makes about as much sense as giving your daughter breast implants as a baby. Not to mention all major body altering cosmetic choices should be made by your son, and not yourself. (His thoughts on the matter may greatly differ from your own when the majority of his generation doesn’t have a partial penis like him.) Infant circumcision literally offers no benefits in the area of appearance.
(As to the, “I want my son to look like me” argument, I’m not even going to pursue this topic, because I think we all can agree that a decision to mutilate your sons genitalia so that it can match your mutilated genitalia is barbaric and cruel and groundless, and for Christians, it is a downright sin as your son is created in Gods perfect image.. not your flawed, surgically altered one.)
Sex and STDs
Circumcised infants lose all 20,000 nerve endings of the foreskin, and drastically lose sensitivity in the head of the penis.
It is an indisputably proven fact that circumcised men have far less sensitivity than uncircumcised men. The loss of sensitivity is largely due to removing 50% of the penile tissue which causes glans callousing, which continues for decades. Meanwhile, adult men who get circumcised into their adulthood retain a lot of the sensitivity of the head of the penis. While they do lose the nerve endings in the foreskin, they retain the sensitivity in the glans that hasn’t had a decade or two of abnormal callousing.
Infants will not be having sex until they are adults.
Any concerns regarding STDs and sexual pleasure are topics that do not need to be addressed until the infant is an adult. At that point, it is his decision, and not yours. If STDs are a concern (in which case, wow, what great parenting skills you must have!) then there is absolutely no reason to expose your son to the pain, the trauma and the inherent risks of infant circumcision for an issue that will not arise for decades. Adult men having sex can make their own decisions regarding sex and STD prevention.
There are more sex related health risks with infant circumcision than there are benefits.
These risks include sexual dysfunction, erection difficulties, etc. The foreskin is richly innervated with Meissner corpuscles, which are extremely sensitive to light touch (similar to the skin around your eyelashes). Anatomically and physiologically, the skin of the penis is designed to activate the male sexual reflex mechanism, and when this is removed, it does not function properly. Degrees of dysfunction vary in individual men. But dysfunction is common, and according to the British Family Planning Association, it’s inevitable. These risks and facts apply equally to adult circumcision, the difference being, adults make an informed choice while infants have none.
Evidence overwhelmingly shows that infant and adult circumcision changes the way the penis was designed to function sexually. If sexual performance is a priority or determining factor for the circumcision you are considering forcing on your son, (which is shouldn’t be, how sick is THAT?) common sense dictates that you should wait until your son is older, and let him and his wife be the judge of what they would prefer, before you needlessly change his penis’s functions. Likewise, if he is a man-whore who has never heard of a condom, the meager protection of circumcision is still his personal choice to make. Infant circumcision literally offers no benefits to parents or infants in the realms of sex and STDs.
Personal Choice
There is no choice for infants.
A report published in the British Journal of Urology assessed the type and amount of tissue missing from the adult circumcised penis by examining adult foreskins obtained at autopsy. Investigators found that circumcision removes about one-half of the erogenous tissue on the penile shaft. The foreskin, according to the study, “The Prepuce: Specialized Mucosa of the Penis and Its Loss to Circumcision”, stated that the foreskin protects the head of the penis and is comprised of unique zones with several kinds of specialized nerves that are important to optimum sexual sensitivity. Just as the “My Body, My Choice” argument doesn’t fly for abortion, it doesn’t fly with circumcision as well. It is biologically speaking NOT your body, and as it is a wholly medically unnecessary procedure, it is NOT YOUR CHOICE. Obviously, if your son has a circumcision as an adult, he has had a choice that he can be proud of and stand by.
Lack of personal choice in infant circumcision puts the child in lifetime risk of feeling victimized.
A poll of circumcised men published in the British Journal of Urology describes adverse outcomes on men’s health and well-being in forced infant circumcisions. Findings showed wide-ranging physical, sexual, and psychological consequences. Some respondents reported prominent scarring and excessive skin loss. Sexual consequences included progressive loss of sensitivity and sexual dysfunction. Emotional distress followed the realization that they were missing a functioning part of their penis. Low self esteem, resentment, avoidance of intimacy, and depression were also noted. As the nation continues to drastically become a non-circumcising one, (at the going rate, my sons generation will see only one in ten boys circumcised), the odds of feeling victimized and experiencing psychological trauma is much higher. Grown men that choose circumcision, on the other hand, enjoy a self-assurance and confidence that they are in control and making their own choices and face no risk of psychological trauma.
Lack of choice greatly increases chances of post traumatic stress disorder.
Using case examples that are typical among his clients, a practicing psychiatrist, J. Rhinehart, in his study “Neonatal Circumcision Reconsidered”, published in the Transactional Analysis Journal, presents clinical findings regarding the serious and sometimes disabling long-term somatic, emotional, and psychological consequences of infant circumcision in adult men. These consequences resemble complex post-traumatic stress disorder and emerge during psychotherapy focused on the resolution of perinatal and developmental trauma. Adult symptoms associated with circumcision trauma include shyness, anger, fear, powerlessness, distrust, low self-esteem, relationship difficulties, and sexual shame. Good news for victimized men circumcised by ignorant or uncaring parents: Long-term psychotherapy dealing with early trauma resolution appears to be effective in healing post traumatic stress (though it won’t remove your regret at being sexually altered against your will). Grown men, of course, are at little to no risk of post traumatic stress disorder, having chosen circumcision for themselves as a personal preference.
Infant circumcision robs children of ever knowing what “normal” is and what could have been.
The foreskin of the human penis is not an abnormality. It is not a birth defect. And it is not a throwaway part. While you can survive without it, it serves 16 unique functions, most of them of a very sexual nature. Since it is such an intimate and useful body part that does not affect you, the parent, in any way shape or form, why take that away from your son? In the study by BJU International, “Fine-Touch Pressure Thresholds in the Adult Penis,” the first extensive testing of fine touch pressure thresholds of the adult penis were recorded. A sensitivity study of the adult penis in circumcised and uncircumcised men shows that the uncircumcised penis is significantly more sensitive. Five locations on the uncircumcised penis that are routinely removed at circumcision are significantly more sensitive than the most sensitive location on the circumcised penis. In addition, the glans (head) of the circumcised penis is less sensitive to fine touch than the glans of the uncircumcised penis. Adults who choose circumcision know what they are choosing to sacrifice in their decision. They can rest assured having known “both sides of the fence” that they can live with their choice, even if they discover too late that they are unhappy with it.
Evidence overwhelmingly shows that the act of circumcision is commonly and (rightly so) perceived as an act of victimization and a violation of personal rights and choice. This is not a risk with adults, making their own choices. If respecting your childs personal choices, honoring him as an individual and granting his bodily integrity is a priority or determining factor for the circumcision you are considering forcing on your son, (and it should be), common sense dictates that you should wait until your son is older so he can make up his own mind before you needlessly alter him. Infant circumcision literally offers no personal choice to your son.
Conclusion
As babies cannot speak for themselves, they need special protection. This is a fundamental tenet of international human rights law (UNESCO 2005). Balancing the potential “benefits” of circumcision with the definite risks is not one that parents should make, when the surgery is cosmetic in nature and medically unnecessary.
When it comes to permanently altering a sexual organ, the only person qualified to make this decision is the owner of the penis, as he is the one who is going to have to live with the results, not his parents. Your sons future wife has more of a right to the condition of your sons penis than you do. That’s true in both Christian and secular realms.
Circumcision violates the Hippocratic Oath to “First, do no harm.”
Doctors have an ethical duty to treat the patient by the most conservative means possible, but removing healthy tissue in the absence of any medical need absolutely harms the patient. There is no way around this simple fact. In the case of infant circumcision, nothing was diseased, and thus nothing justifies its removal.
Though they are babies now, and we have to make BASIC decisions for them, they will be adults, with minds and feelings of their own, and as such, permanent and major decisions are not in the realm of parental authority. You are called to protect them, love them and see that no undue harm comes their way.
When contemplating this decision for your son, be brutally honest with yourself. What does your decision serve: Your son’s rights, or your ego?
THIS: up to 95% of infants experience neurotic shock during circumcision, and many go into actual seizures – both conditions that do not legally have to be disclosed to the parents. When shock occurs, the infant slips into a semi-comatose state in order to physically survive the extreme pain and trauma.
Is as far as read before I had to stop and recover. I have an unhealthy level of *name every protective/survival chemical/physical reaction Moms get* in my system right now! This makes me want to sit outside the NeoNatal area of the hospital waiting…when the little blue capped babies wheeled past, I want to pull a “PETA takes on the animal testing lab and frees all the rabbits!”. Seriously! It’s one of those things where you have to realize that someone is going purposely pay to have their child tortured nearly unto death. The above paragraph really is all that needs to be known to make an informed decision. If it’s such a ‘safe’ procedure, it can wait until the child is old enough to have it done under anesthesia.
PLEASE future moms, DO NOT HURT YOUR SONS!!!
I don’t know what else to say. I will read the rest of this blog post when my blood pressure gets back to normal…I have a drs appt, sure hope I don’t give off any strange vitals!
Yeah, my stomach was churning while I wrote this post. Most of these notes were saved over the years, but OMG, reading this is like reading abortion info. It’s disgusting and sick and unfathomable.
Thank you a million times for this blog post, Gingi! I hope you reach many parents with this!
I could barely read your post. I had to take a break a few times then come back to it because I felt like I was going to throw up and I cried over it. Knowing so many parents still make this choice for their sons rips my heart out. I look at my two precious and perfect sons and the thought of making such a decision for them is unfathomable to me.
It is not MY penis, it is not MY decision.
It is not my place to make a decision that could disfigure or even kill them. Your baby can not die if you don’t perform an unnecessary surgical procedure on them. I talk to many moms who now regret their decisions to circumcise their sons because the recovery has been awful. They have both bonding and breastfeeding issues. The maintenance afterwards is daunting. Not to mention it directly affects the sexual function of the penis and it is not my right to take that away from my sons and their future partners.
Up until not too many years ago, it was still perfectly legal to circumcise our daughters. I would never even consider doing such a thing to my daughter. Why are we still doing it to our sons?
So many men have tight and painful erections as adults because of their circumcision as a newborn and they have no idea why. You can not judge how much skin to remove from such a small penis and not know how much of that skin is going to be needed into adulthood for the proper growth and function of the penis.
I really hope you touch the heart of so many parents with this post. I pray after reading this, if they were planning to make such huge decision for their sons without the consent of their sons, they will change their minds and let it be a choice their son can make in the future.
You can not undo what has been done. There is no harm in waiting.
As a circumcised boy, I hate my parents for making this decision for me. I read what you said. I took it in. And, as a father, I will NOT allow circumcision upon my infant children. I did consider it, but after reading this, I feel as if my parents wanted me to suffer this later. As if, they hated me. And wanted me to feel pain, and when I realised that they had MUTATED my body, I went BERSERK! I yelled at them, kicked a wall, and locked myself in my room. For the entire weekend. I resent my decision, and their forcing of another decision. Thank you for that post. I felt as if I needed to let that out. Good thing, that this post is caring, nice, and accepting. Goodbye.
I’m an adult male who was circumcised, and I’m furious that decision was taken away from me. We had difficulty getting pregnant due to lack of sensitivity issues. Parents don’t have the right to mutilate their sons, please don’t do it.
im going to tell you the story of my oldest sons circumcision. i regret it more than anything I’ve ever done in my life! i was 19 when he was born i knew nothing about circumcision it was just something you do when you had a boy he was circumcised when he was 2 days old he was breast fed and latched all on his own when he was minutes old although i didn’t even intend to bf he decided that for himself but after he was circ’d he struggled to bf afterwards and i ended up with mastitus i also blame on the circumcision which ended our bf relationship . if only that was the worst of our problems it was really only the beginning he was fine till his 1 yr check up the Dr was checking his penis and he said your son has an adhesion said it wasn’t that big of a deal and happened a lot in circumcised boys and then he RIPPED IT BACK without any warning and my son let out the most blood curdling scream i have ever heard and he bled the Dr put vaseline on it and sent me on my way and his penis continued to adhere to itself and he went thru having his penis ripped apart 3 more times he is finally free from adhesions but he has bed wetting problems even at 10 yrs old i believe it is from all the trama he endured and i swore that if i ever had another son he wouldn’t be circumcised and my son who is now 11 months old is intact and i have not had any problems with it PLEASE DON’T CIRCUMCISE YOUR SONS YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT CAN HAPPEN AND BELIEVE ME WHEN I SAY YOU NEVER WANT YOUR CHILD TO GO THRU WHAT MY SON WENT THRU OR WORSE
I’m sorry her SON went through it. I urge you to research restoration and give the info to your son. He deserves to know something can [partially] be done to remedy a good portion of the physical issues your son will face.
Le Leche League has lots of info regarding breastfeeding and circumcision.. and they are the breastfeeding gurus! It’s really common sense… any surgery puts stress on an infant and effects the mother-infant and breastfeeding relationship in a negative way. There’s lots of research out there! Keep digging and know the facts! ^_^ God Bless.
This is AWESOME 🙂
I am lucky enough to have made the right choice way back before I even did any research on it. My husband is uncut, so naturally, I didn’t have my first son circumcised… didn’t even research it. I remember mentioning it to my husband when we first found out it was a boy. I asked, are we going to circumcise him? And my husband, said, “no, there’s no point..” and I thought ‘hey, you still have your penis… and you still like it.. so, we might as well just leave it.’ And that was it. 😛
I have two boys (ages 8 and 6), both are uncut. Neither of them have ever had ANY issues, hygienic or otherwise…. and neither has my husband… and he was even the “stinky kid” in school! lol So, I totally look at people cross eyed when people tell me they circ’d their son for hygienic reasons.. it really isn’t any cleaner. If anything, I’d be more worried if my boys were circ’d because they would be more exposed to all the germs!
anyway, enough ranting 😛 awesome post, as always Gingi!
BAD NEWS FOR CIRCUMCISERS. Men and women are learning how much it rips them off… did you think you could hide it forever, fool? http://www.sexasnatureintendedit.com/
I really don’t understand the ‘why’ of having it done. When I was a teen, it was well known that the main reason for it was ‘cleanliness’, which translated two ways: the natural cleaning of the body part. AND the ‘clean’ of boys not ‘playing with themselves’. That’s what struck me as a 15 year old, when I was told that was why a newborn boy had been ‘cut’. I remember being left in charge of this infant that I had to take special pains to clean his poor little bruised and bloodied penis. Heartbreaking. If parents can’t teach their son basic personal hygiene and how to behave in public and private with their own body…then they might want to rethink that ‘I’m ready to have a child!’.
Being the blunt person I am whenever I hear the word circumcise or and variations on the word I ask all the men present if they are. I tell them of the dangers and how it is unnecessary. Almost every single guy I’ve asked then says something that is “off” about the scar. That it’s tight, they left too much skin making it uneven, or they took to much skin. (Yes me and my friend’s have no filters) but one of my guy friends told me at 18 he opt to remove his foreskin. He wanted it done purely for aesthetics. He said he was back at work the next day. He seemed really proud that it was his choice to make. That’s the thing of it. He made his choice, and he did so at an age where he was mature enough and it was medically safer. He said he won’t circumcise his future son but if when his son is in his teens and wants it done he will let him.
It’s a mature state of mind when a father understands he doesn’t “own” his son or his son’s body. His responsibility is to love and protect his son and raise him to be another loving and responsible man. The whole, “I want him to look like me” argument is sickening and makes me lose so much respect for any man who says it. To disregard his son’s safety and well being just so he can not feel “different from his son”? Are you kidding me?! Are you also going to make sure you cut all of your other scars into him as well?
Not to mention kids don’t give a sh*t about differences. That’s an adult hang up. And the kid definitely wouldn’t care when he learns that the reason daddy looks different is because daddy got hurt, but daddy loved him enough to keep him from getting hurt.
A man with the warped mindset to hurt his child for any reason is not in the right mindset to enter fatherhood.
I was circumcised at 8 days of age.
I am a Jew. It is part of the Covenant that we do this.
Genesis 17:9
9 Then God said to Abraham, “As for you, you must keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you for the generations to come. 10 This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised. 11 You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you. 12 For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner—those who are not your offspring. 13 Whether born in your household or bought with your money, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh is to be an everlasting covenant. 14 Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.”
Religious Obligation.
If parents are going to insist on making their children subject to the Mosaic Law, it seems strange to me that they would abandon so much of it – animal sacrifice, stoning, etc. – and instead choose to follow a point of the law that involves maiming their own children. I am not trying to belittle or attack the Word of God (because I firmly believe that Christ came as the fulfullment to that Law). I am instead questioning the religious belief that picks and chooses where to be obedient and where to be negligent, and then stand on their a la cart choices as a “holy thing”.. what about all the deeds in the Law undone? And if you are going to neglect some of the Law, why not neglect the portion that involves genital cutting of innocent, consenting children?
Verses 12 and 13 say that male slaves should be circumcised, and at least 11 mitzvahs talk about how to treat slaves, but no-one thinks that slavery is acceptable.
Not all Jewish people believe in infant circumcision. Brit Shalom is an alternative naming ceremony to celebrate the birth of baby boys to Jewish families. These are just some of the sites run by Jewish people opposed to infant circumcision:
As one of those sites puts it:
“In the Torah, adultery (Lev. 20:10), fornication by women (Deut 22:21), homosexual acts (Lev. 20:13), blasphemy (Lev. 24:16), insulting one’s parents (Exodus 21:17), and stubbornly disobeying one’s parents (Deut. 21:18-21) are all punishable by death. Obviously, these laws are no longer enforced by traditionalists. In addition, according to Torah law, only a man can divorce his spouse (Deut. 24:1). This law was changed by rabbis to allow a woman to terminate a marriage. The Torah law which restricted inheritance to sons (Deut. 21:15-17) was also changed to allow transfer of property to daughters. Awareness of this precedent for change helps us to view circumcision with openness and flexibility.”
There are plenty of people that think they have the religious right or duty to circumcise their daughters btw, but it’s illegal in most countries even to make a pinprick on a girl’s genitals.
Babe, I’m so very proud of you for being such an awesome mom that has our future kids interest in mind. I’ve always known that you are an amazing woman, but every day I am reminded why I fell in love with you. Keep up the good work!
“…entails not severing the entire organ.” What? It takes two functions to be classified an organ. The foreskin has 16 known functions. I argue that certainly an entire organ is being cut off. Nonetheless, what you wrote and covered is wonderful. You will find my circumcision and foreskin references in my facebook NOTES under the more tab. And here’s to foreskin restoration. i will no longer be advertising circumcision when I’m naked, but now will be advertising and speakingup for restoring. NSFW google iqvixen “Frankly Speaking…”
Good point, and valid correction sir! I was merely attempting to point out that Biblical circumcision greatly differs from Victorian era circumcision. Not trying to justify the act, mind you, just clarify the difference..
I have a poor internet connection here and not much time, but I’m cutting and pasting in some stuff. Some of the points are things you’ve already covered, but there are some other points too.
Even if you think male circumcision is a good idea, there are very good reasons *not* to circumcise babies.
You can’t use general anesthetic for a start – it’s not that you don’t have to, you can’t.
The foreskin has to be separated from the glans (the most painful part). If you wait, it separates naturally, usually by around puberty.
The post-operative pain will also be worse, and the wound will be in a diaper which is primarily there to contain urine and feces.
The risk of major injury or death is higher, since you’re working with something smaller. The record payout for a botched circumcision is $22.8 million. It was said at the time that the victim “will never be able to function sexually as a normal male and will require extensive reconstructive surgery and psychological counseling as well as lifelong urological care and treatment by infectious disease specialists.” Sure, cases like that are very rare, but why should they happen at all?
A newborn can die of blood loss after losing about three tablespoons of blood – way less than will be absorbed by a modern diaper.
There is a 5-10% risk of a “revision” (effectively a second circumcision) after circumcising a neonate, versus almost a zero rate for juvenile or adult circumcision.
Babies don’t have much of an immune system. At least one baby died after circumcision in New York after being infected with the coldsore virus for instance, and another got brain damage.
It’s almost exclusively males circumcised as infants that get meatal stenosis.
The child can’t give informed consent, and there are lots of men out there who are seriously unhappy about having parts of their genitals cut off. It’s *his* body, so why shouldn’t it be his decision?
“For studies including boys born after 1995, there was a strong correlation between country-level (n=9) autism/ASD prevalence in males and a country’s circumcision rate (r=0.98). A very similar pattern was seen among U.S. states and when comparing the 3 main racial/ethnic groups in the U.S.”
Bauer, Kriebel, 2013 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23656698
It’s not like it can’t wait. The USA (at 55% and dropping) and Israel are the only two countries in the world where more than half of baby boys are circumcised. Other countries circumcise, but not till anywhere from the age of seven to adolescence. Only about 10% of the world’s circumcised men were circumcised as babies.
I was circumcised at 25 for aesthetic reasons mainly. Surprisingly I didn’t have any pain whatsoever. Pretty happy with the result actually. It’s best to leave it up to a mature male to decide.
I’m the reverse. I’m undergoing nonsurgical foreskin restoration. I chose to start it for aesthetic reasons, I hated seeing my glans exposed when not erect and I hate my scar. Well, turns out, foreskin feels pretty damn good, even a restored foreskin.
More and more men are undergoing foreskin restoration, and it’s great hearing them speak out. There are many men I know personally who are considering foreskin restoration…
Thank you so much for this post. I am due in four weeks and my husband and I finally made the decision that we cannot do this to our baby boy. My husband is not circumsized and he’s never had any problems! But when I even approached the discussion with my friends (all of them having had or currently pregnant with boys) they parroted this list of rediculous reasons (locker room image, religious dictates, same as daddy) like it was gospel! They wouldn’t even consider the possiblity of leaving their son intact. I come from a caribbean family and I KNOW I’ll get flack when family and friends “help” and change a diaper… They are very opnionated types who like to question my choices already, but I’ve decided to gird-my-loins as it were and just ignore them and say “my child, my rules, he’s beautiful, he’s healthy and he’s fine”. I also read your blog about your daughter’s birth, and I just wanted to say thank you. It was REAL, HONEST and fantastic… I think some bloggers get so caught up in trying to portray the “awe and wonder” of their birthing experience that they forget to just be real about it and allow their readers to experience all of it the pain, anxiety and the eventual joy and yes wonder that brings a grown woman sitting at her work computer (procrastinating) to tears.
Thank you for the lovely comment, it totally and completely made my day! Sounds like you are going to be a fantastic mommy to this lucky little boy.. stay strong and do the right thing and don’t let ANYONE intimidate you for being an awesome mother! Do check in and let me know how your delivery goes. Wishing you, your little one and your husband all the best!
You may have seen some articles about a new study claiming to show that there is a lower rate of complications for circumcisions performed before the age of one as opposed to between 1 and ten. ( http://www.jama.md/1loY5iR )
I don’t have access to the full paper yet, but studies like this never seem to include meatal stenosis (seen almost exclusively in males circumcised shortly after birth) as a complication, or possible sexual difficulties later in life. Every circumcised man is missing the most sensitive and pleasurable parts of his genitals, so how can that not be an adverse event?
Given the figures they’re talking about, It’s unlikely they mentioned the 5-20% chance of a “revision” or “lysis of penile adhesions” (both involving a second operation) for neonatal circumcision either. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23820002
or this:
“For studies including boys born after 1995, there was a strong correlation between country-level (n=9) autism/ASD prevalence in males and a country’s circumcision rate (r=0.98). A very similar pattern was seen among U.S. states and when comparing the 3 main racial/ethnic groups in the U.S.” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23656698
It’s also worth noting that only around 10% of the world’s circumcised men were circumcised as infants, and that in countries where neonatal circumcision is rare, circumcision later in life is also very rare – less than 1% in some countries.
I doubt they’ve accounted for the fact that children circumcised later in life may have been too sick to be circumcised earlier, and they don’t seem to have distinguished between “adverse events”. There are lots of cases of babies dying after circumcision, but I’ve never heard of an adult dying after clinical circumcision.
Look at it a different way. If a bunch of doctors found that cutting parts off a girl down there had fewer complications in the first year of life, female genital cutting still wouldn’t be right.
Guy speaking here. I found this article through Google and it brought up some repressed emotions.. I know this is a relatively old article but I just have to get this off my chest, so to speak.
Let’s just say circumcision has ruined my sex life. I love my parents to death but this is the one decision they made that will forever continue to piss me off to no end. They aren’t the smartest but they mean well. I did talk to my mother about it and she told me the doctor told her that they needed to circumcise me for ‘health reasons’ in that it would make cleaning the area easier, less prone to disease, etc. Basically bull-shit reasons from what I have learned in the various years of studying this issue.
Maintaining an erection, especially when putting a condom on is the hardest thing to do. Most condoms are just too tight and ruin the blood flow. It takes so much effort from past gfs just to get me hard. I almost have no sensitivity whatsoever at the tip. Plus when it comes to penetration, most of the women I have talked to prefer the feeling of an un-cut penis. So basically I end up just focusing on my partners’ pleasure. I just get their kicks in and go leave to go masturbate later in the night or whatever. Or not. That shit got real old and it sort of killed me on the inside. Part of the reason why I don’t really have relationships anymore. I know sex isn’t everything to a relationship but I’m a guy (with a decreasing sex-drive) and I crave it. And no, it can’t just be with any woman. I want it to be with someone I can love. But enough about that.
I don’t hate my parents for the decision they made. They’re the gullible type, especially if it is information coming from an authority figure. It seemed like most people blindly followed the advice of doctors back in the day (especially in America). Nowadays I’m doing everything to restore the foreskin. There is a procedure but I doubt it’ll be 100%. Better than nothing, I suppose.
Thank you for sharing! I’m sorry if my post was upsetting in anyway.. I know it’s an upsetting topic but still! I’m glad your relationship with your parents isn’t effected.. again, thank you for being so open!
I have yet to meet (in person) anyone wearing “Christian” as a label (including churches I’ve been to) who, when presented with a choice between Genesis 17 and Titus 1, has ever yet sided with Titus 1. These are practitioners of another religion who insist on mis-labeling themselves “Christian.” Titus 1 clearly says the Genesis 17 is a “fable” (a fake story from the past) and a “commandment of men, that turns from the truth.” Assembly of God churches especially, always side with the Old Testament in all conflicts with the New Testament.
This sort of post, in conjunction with your amazing cosplays, make you even cooler. Thank you for speaking out against genital mutilation. The victims of this barbarity need our voices, because they cannot speak for themselves.
I can’t find any mention of forced foreskin retraction and it’s damaging effects. Sorry, but this is my main focal point since lack of knowledge about this often leads to the ruin of so many penises initially saved from the chop and is a major cause of the reason many Americans think foreskin is a problem in the 1st place.
I can tell you that having been circumcised at age 30 it was not pain free. Matter if fact a month later it still hurt. Took well over a year to fully heal. You must have interviewed superman.
You still had better pain management than an infant receives. And whatever pain you went through isn’t justification for routinely amputating part of a baby boy’s healthy, functional genitalia.
In my country, people are taught the opposite. They are advised to do this because they are told that piece of skin can cause health issues.(there are also religious beliefs too…) As a man, if you are not circumcised you will not be easily accepted in the community and society would not approve it mostly because of religious reasons which I find ridiculous… So families are somehow forced to do it because they are under psychological pressure. But apart from that, they also believe that it is healthier for their son. Anyway…
So, instead of traumatising their 8-10 year old “conscious” son, some parents prefer to do this when he is just a baby. Because they believe that he won’t remember anything. They are not being cruel, but trying to help their kid actually… Most of them, including me, do not know about the information on this website.
My boyfriend told me he was circumcised when he was a lot older. So he was really terrified and still cannot forget about what he has been through. So we were always talking about doing this as early as we can if we had a baby boy. I am totally in shock now…And I am glad that I found out about this information. We were always told that removal of this skin is necessary because of hygiene&health related issues. And I think no doctor cares to explain this horrifying truth about circumcision in very early ages. So people just do it cause they think it will be better…
THIS: up to 95% of infants experience neurotic shock during circumcision, and many go into actual seizures – both conditions that do not legally have to be disclosed to the parents. When shock occurs, the infant slips into a semi-comatose state in order to physically survive the extreme pain and trauma.
Is as far as read before I had to stop and recover. I have an unhealthy level of *name every protective/survival chemical/physical reaction Moms get* in my system right now! This makes me want to sit outside the NeoNatal area of the hospital waiting…when the little blue capped babies wheeled past, I want to pull a “PETA takes on the animal testing lab and frees all the rabbits!”. Seriously! It’s one of those things where you have to realize that someone is going purposely pay to have their child tortured nearly unto death. The above paragraph really is all that needs to be known to make an informed decision. If it’s such a ‘safe’ procedure, it can wait until the child is old enough to have it done under anesthesia.
PLEASE future moms, DO NOT HURT YOUR SONS!!!
I don’t know what else to say. I will read the rest of this blog post when my blood pressure gets back to normal…I have a drs appt, sure hope I don’t give off any strange vitals!
Yeah, my stomach was churning while I wrote this post. Most of these notes were saved over the years, but OMG, reading this is like reading abortion info. It’s disgusting and sick and unfathomable.
Thank you a million times for this blog post, Gingi! I hope you reach many parents with this!
I could barely read your post. I had to take a break a few times then come back to it because I felt like I was going to throw up and I cried over it. Knowing so many parents still make this choice for their sons rips my heart out. I look at my two precious and perfect sons and the thought of making such a decision for them is unfathomable to me.
It is not MY penis, it is not MY decision.
It is not my place to make a decision that could disfigure or even kill them. Your baby can not die if you don’t perform an unnecessary surgical procedure on them. I talk to many moms who now regret their decisions to circumcise their sons because the recovery has been awful. They have both bonding and breastfeeding issues. The maintenance afterwards is daunting. Not to mention it directly affects the sexual function of the penis and it is not my right to take that away from my sons and their future partners.
Up until not too many years ago, it was still perfectly legal to circumcise our daughters. I would never even consider doing such a thing to my daughter. Why are we still doing it to our sons?
So many men have tight and painful erections as adults because of their circumcision as a newborn and they have no idea why. You can not judge how much skin to remove from such a small penis and not know how much of that skin is going to be needed into adulthood for the proper growth and function of the penis.
I really hope you touch the heart of so many parents with this post. I pray after reading this, if they were planning to make such huge decision for their sons without the consent of their sons, they will change their minds and let it be a choice their son can make in the future.
You can not undo what has been done. There is no harm in waiting.
It’s HIS penis. Let it be HIS decision.
Very well said, Kellie.
As a circumcised boy, I hate my parents for making this decision for me. I read what you said. I took it in. And, as a father, I will NOT allow circumcision upon my infant children. I did consider it, but after reading this, I feel as if my parents wanted me to suffer this later. As if, they hated me. And wanted me to feel pain, and when I realised that they had MUTATED my body, I went BERSERK! I yelled at them, kicked a wall, and locked myself in my room. For the entire weekend. I resent my decision, and their forcing of another decision. Thank you for that post. I felt as if I needed to let that out. Good thing, that this post is caring, nice, and accepting. Goodbye.
I agree. Let the boy choose. 🙂
I’m an adult male who was circumcised, and I’m furious that decision was taken away from me. We had difficulty getting pregnant due to lack of sensitivity issues. Parents don’t have the right to mutilate their sons, please don’t do it.
I’m restoring my foreskin. http://www.restoringforeskin.org
im going to tell you the story of my oldest sons circumcision. i regret it more than anything I’ve ever done in my life! i was 19 when he was born i knew nothing about circumcision it was just something you do when you had a boy he was circumcised when he was 2 days old he was breast fed and latched all on his own when he was minutes old although i didn’t even intend to bf he decided that for himself but after he was circ’d he struggled to bf afterwards and i ended up with mastitus i also blame on the circumcision which ended our bf relationship . if only that was the worst of our problems it was really only the beginning he was fine till his 1 yr check up the Dr was checking his penis and he said your son has an adhesion said it wasn’t that big of a deal and happened a lot in circumcised boys and then he RIPPED IT BACK without any warning and my son let out the most blood curdling scream i have ever heard and he bled the Dr put vaseline on it and sent me on my way and his penis continued to adhere to itself and he went thru having his penis ripped apart 3 more times he is finally free from adhesions but he has bed wetting problems even at 10 yrs old i believe it is from all the trama he endured and i swore that if i ever had another son he wouldn’t be circumcised and my son who is now 11 months old is intact and i have not had any problems with it PLEASE DON’T CIRCUMCISE YOUR SONS YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT CAN HAPPEN AND BELIEVE ME WHEN I SAY YOU NEVER WANT YOUR CHILD TO GO THRU WHAT MY SON WENT THRU OR WORSE
I’m so sorry you went through that, dear. Thank you for speaking out!
I’m sorry her SON went through it. I urge you to research restoration and give the info to your son. He deserves to know something can [partially] be done to remedy a good portion of the physical issues your son will face.
Thanks:), I am looking for evidence based info on effects of breadtfeeding w/circ.
Sorry, breastfeeding….
Le Leche League has lots of info regarding breastfeeding and circumcision.. and they are the breastfeeding gurus! It’s really common sense… any surgery puts stress on an infant and effects the mother-infant and breastfeeding relationship in a negative way. There’s lots of research out there! Keep digging and know the facts! ^_^ God Bless.
This is AWESOME 🙂
I am lucky enough to have made the right choice way back before I even did any research on it. My husband is uncut, so naturally, I didn’t have my first son circumcised… didn’t even research it. I remember mentioning it to my husband when we first found out it was a boy. I asked, are we going to circumcise him? And my husband, said, “no, there’s no point..” and I thought ‘hey, you still have your penis… and you still like it.. so, we might as well just leave it.’ And that was it. 😛
I have two boys (ages 8 and 6), both are uncut. Neither of them have ever had ANY issues, hygienic or otherwise…. and neither has my husband… and he was even the “stinky kid” in school! lol So, I totally look at people cross eyed when people tell me they circ’d their son for hygienic reasons.. it really isn’t any cleaner. If anything, I’d be more worried if my boys were circ’d because they would be more exposed to all the germs!
anyway, enough ranting 😛 awesome post, as always Gingi!
Thank you, Bree! And thanks for commenting!
BAD NEWS FOR CIRCUMCISERS. Men and women are learning how much it rips them off… did you think you could hide it forever, fool? http://www.sexasnatureintendedit.com/
Thank you for the link, I’ll be reading that book soon!
I really don’t understand the ‘why’ of having it done. When I was a teen, it was well known that the main reason for it was ‘cleanliness’, which translated two ways: the natural cleaning of the body part. AND the ‘clean’ of boys not ‘playing with themselves’. That’s what struck me as a 15 year old, when I was told that was why a newborn boy had been ‘cut’. I remember being left in charge of this infant that I had to take special pains to clean his poor little bruised and bloodied penis. Heartbreaking. If parents can’t teach their son basic personal hygiene and how to behave in public and private with their own body…then they might want to rethink that ‘I’m ready to have a child!’.
Just sayin’.
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Hey I sent you an email about this, can you check it out? Thanks!
Being the blunt person I am whenever I hear the word circumcise or and variations on the word I ask all the men present if they are. I tell them of the dangers and how it is unnecessary. Almost every single guy I’ve asked then says something that is “off” about the scar. That it’s tight, they left too much skin making it uneven, or they took to much skin. (Yes me and my friend’s have no filters) but one of my guy friends told me at 18 he opt to remove his foreskin. He wanted it done purely for aesthetics. He said he was back at work the next day. He seemed really proud that it was his choice to make. That’s the thing of it. He made his choice, and he did so at an age where he was mature enough and it was medically safer. He said he won’t circumcise his future son but if when his son is in his teens and wants it done he will let him.
It’s a mature state of mind when a father understands he doesn’t “own” his son or his son’s body. His responsibility is to love and protect his son and raise him to be another loving and responsible man. The whole, “I want him to look like me” argument is sickening and makes me lose so much respect for any man who says it. To disregard his son’s safety and well being just so he can not feel “different from his son”? Are you kidding me?! Are you also going to make sure you cut all of your other scars into him as well?
Not to mention kids don’t give a sh*t about differences. That’s an adult hang up. And the kid definitely wouldn’t care when he learns that the reason daddy looks different is because daddy got hurt, but daddy loved him enough to keep him from getting hurt.
A man with the warped mindset to hurt his child for any reason is not in the right mindset to enter fatherhood.
I was circumcised at 8 days of age.
I am a Jew. It is part of the Covenant that we do this.
Genesis 17:9
9 Then God said to Abraham, “As for you, you must keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you for the generations to come. 10 This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised. 11 You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you. 12 For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner—those who are not your offspring. 13 Whether born in your household or bought with your money, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh is to be an everlasting covenant. 14 Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.”
Religious Obligation.
If parents are going to insist on making their children subject to the Mosaic Law, it seems strange to me that they would abandon so much of it – animal sacrifice, stoning, etc. – and instead choose to follow a point of the law that involves maiming their own children. I am not trying to belittle or attack the Word of God (because I firmly believe that Christ came as the fulfullment to that Law). I am instead questioning the religious belief that picks and chooses where to be obedient and where to be negligent, and then stand on their a la cart choices as a “holy thing”.. what about all the deeds in the Law undone? And if you are going to neglect some of the Law, why not neglect the portion that involves genital cutting of innocent, consenting children?
Verses 12 and 13 say that male slaves should be circumcised, and at least 11 mitzvahs talk about how to treat slaves, but no-one thinks that slavery is acceptable.
Not all Jewish people believe in infant circumcision. Brit Shalom is an alternative naming ceremony to celebrate the birth of baby boys to Jewish families. These are just some of the sites run by Jewish people opposed to infant circumcision:
http://www.jewishcircumcision.org
http://www.jewsagainstcircumcision.org
http://www.circumcision.org
http://www.beyondthebris.com
http://www.britshalom.org
As one of those sites puts it:
“In the Torah, adultery (Lev. 20:10), fornication by women (Deut 22:21), homosexual acts (Lev. 20:13), blasphemy (Lev. 24:16), insulting one’s parents (Exodus 21:17), and stubbornly disobeying one’s parents (Deut. 21:18-21) are all punishable by death. Obviously, these laws are no longer enforced by traditionalists. In addition, according to Torah law, only a man can divorce his spouse (Deut. 24:1). This law was changed by rabbis to allow a woman to terminate a marriage. The Torah law which restricted inheritance to sons (Deut. 21:15-17) was also changed to allow transfer of property to daughters. Awareness of this precedent for change helps us to view circumcision with openness and flexibility.”
There are plenty of people that think they have the religious right or duty to circumcise their daughters btw, but it’s illegal in most countries even to make a pinprick on a girl’s genitals.
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You didn’t choose it for yourself. It is a violation of individual rights to force this on someone who cannot consent.
ORP01 You posted writing from scrolls. People write scrolls. Circumcision is not liked by most of the world.
Babe, I’m so very proud of you for being such an awesome mom that has our future kids interest in mind. I’ve always known that you are an amazing woman, but every day I am reminded why I fell in love with you. Keep up the good work!
Awww, thank you sweetie. I’m so very proud of you, too, for unhesitatingly choosing the best for your future son. God bless you, my love!
“…entails not severing the entire organ.” What? It takes two functions to be classified an organ. The foreskin has 16 known functions. I argue that certainly an entire organ is being cut off. Nonetheless, what you wrote and covered is wonderful. You will find my circumcision and foreskin references in my facebook NOTES under the more tab. And here’s to foreskin restoration. i will no longer be advertising circumcision when I’m naked, but now will be advertising and speakingup for restoring. NSFW google iqvixen “Frankly Speaking…”
Good point, and valid correction sir! I was merely attempting to point out that Biblical circumcision greatly differs from Victorian era circumcision. Not trying to justify the act, mind you, just clarify the difference..
I have a poor internet connection here and not much time, but I’m cutting and pasting in some stuff. Some of the points are things you’ve already covered, but there are some other points too.
Even if you think male circumcision is a good idea, there are very good reasons *not* to circumcise babies.
You can’t use general anesthetic for a start – it’s not that you don’t have to, you can’t.
The foreskin has to be separated from the glans (the most painful part). If you wait, it separates naturally, usually by around puberty.
The post-operative pain will also be worse, and the wound will be in a diaper which is primarily there to contain urine and feces.
The risk of major injury or death is higher, since you’re working with something smaller. The record payout for a botched circumcision is $22.8 million. It was said at the time that the victim “will never be able to function sexually as a normal male and will require extensive reconstructive surgery and psychological counseling as well as lifelong urological care and treatment by infectious disease specialists.” Sure, cases like that are very rare, but why should they happen at all?
A newborn can die of blood loss after losing about three tablespoons of blood – way less than will be absorbed by a modern diaper.
There is a 5-10% risk of a “revision” (effectively a second circumcision) after circumcising a neonate, versus almost a zero rate for juvenile or adult circumcision.
Babies don’t have much of an immune system. At least one baby died after circumcision in New York after being infected with the coldsore virus for instance, and another got brain damage.
It’s almost exclusively males circumcised as infants that get meatal stenosis.
The child can’t give informed consent, and there are lots of men out there who are seriously unhappy about having parts of their genitals cut off. It’s *his* body, so why shouldn’t it be his decision?
“For studies including boys born after 1995, there was a strong correlation between country-level (n=9) autism/ASD prevalence in males and a country’s circumcision rate (r=0.98). A very similar pattern was seen among U.S. states and when comparing the 3 main racial/ethnic groups in the U.S.”
Bauer, Kriebel, 2013 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23656698
It’s not like it can’t wait. The USA (at 55% and dropping) and Israel are the only two countries in the world where more than half of baby boys are circumcised. Other countries circumcise, but not till anywhere from the age of seven to adolescence. Only about 10% of the world’s circumcised men were circumcised as babies.
I was circumcised at 25 for aesthetic reasons mainly. Surprisingly I didn’t have any pain whatsoever. Pretty happy with the result actually. It’s best to leave it up to a mature male to decide.
I’m the reverse. I’m undergoing nonsurgical foreskin restoration. I chose to start it for aesthetic reasons, I hated seeing my glans exposed when not erect and I hate my scar. Well, turns out, foreskin feels pretty damn good, even a restored foreskin.
More and more men are undergoing foreskin restoration, and it’s great hearing them speak out. There are many men I know personally who are considering foreskin restoration…
Thank you so much for this post. I am due in four weeks and my husband and I finally made the decision that we cannot do this to our baby boy. My husband is not circumsized and he’s never had any problems! But when I even approached the discussion with my friends (all of them having had or currently pregnant with boys) they parroted this list of rediculous reasons (locker room image, religious dictates, same as daddy) like it was gospel! They wouldn’t even consider the possiblity of leaving their son intact. I come from a caribbean family and I KNOW I’ll get flack when family and friends “help” and change a diaper… They are very opnionated types who like to question my choices already, but I’ve decided to gird-my-loins as it were and just ignore them and say “my child, my rules, he’s beautiful, he’s healthy and he’s fine”. I also read your blog about your daughter’s birth, and I just wanted to say thank you. It was REAL, HONEST and fantastic… I think some bloggers get so caught up in trying to portray the “awe and wonder” of their birthing experience that they forget to just be real about it and allow their readers to experience all of it the pain, anxiety and the eventual joy and yes wonder that brings a grown woman sitting at her work computer (procrastinating) to tears.
Thank you for the lovely comment, it totally and completely made my day! Sounds like you are going to be a fantastic mommy to this lucky little boy.. stay strong and do the right thing and don’t let ANYONE intimidate you for being an awesome mother! Do check in and let me know how your delivery goes. Wishing you, your little one and your husband all the best!
Thank you, Domestic Geek Girl, for this thorough, compassionate appeal to a parent’s reason and intelligence.
You may have seen some articles about a new study claiming to show that there is a lower rate of complications for circumcisions performed before the age of one as opposed to between 1 and ten. ( http://www.jama.md/1loY5iR )
I don’t have access to the full paper yet, but studies like this never seem to include meatal stenosis (seen almost exclusively in males circumcised shortly after birth) as a complication, or possible sexual difficulties later in life. Every circumcised man is missing the most sensitive and pleasurable parts of his genitals, so how can that not be an adverse event?
Given the figures they’re talking about, It’s unlikely they mentioned the 5-20% chance of a “revision” or “lysis of penile adhesions” (both involving a second operation) for neonatal circumcision either. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23820002
or this:
“For studies including boys born after 1995, there was a strong correlation between country-level (n=9) autism/ASD prevalence in males and a country’s circumcision rate (r=0.98). A very similar pattern was seen among U.S. states and when comparing the 3 main racial/ethnic groups in the U.S.”
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23656698
It’s also worth noting that only around 10% of the world’s circumcised men were circumcised as infants, and that in countries where neonatal circumcision is rare, circumcision later in life is also very rare – less than 1% in some countries.
I doubt they’ve accounted for the fact that children circumcised later in life may have been too sick to be circumcised earlier, and they don’t seem to have distinguished between “adverse events”. There are lots of cases of babies dying after circumcision, but I’ve never heard of an adult dying after clinical circumcision.
Look at it a different way. If a bunch of doctors found that cutting parts off a girl down there had fewer complications in the first year of life, female genital cutting still wouldn’t be right.
This is all fantastic information, and the wrap up is spot on. I will keep this info in mind for future posts on this topic if you don’t mind!
Absolutely. I have a copy of the paper now btw, but haven’t had time to go through it yet.
Guy speaking here. I found this article through Google and it brought up some repressed emotions.. I know this is a relatively old article but I just have to get this off my chest, so to speak.
Let’s just say circumcision has ruined my sex life. I love my parents to death but this is the one decision they made that will forever continue to piss me off to no end. They aren’t the smartest but they mean well. I did talk to my mother about it and she told me the doctor told her that they needed to circumcise me for ‘health reasons’ in that it would make cleaning the area easier, less prone to disease, etc. Basically bull-shit reasons from what I have learned in the various years of studying this issue.
Maintaining an erection, especially when putting a condom on is the hardest thing to do. Most condoms are just too tight and ruin the blood flow. It takes so much effort from past gfs just to get me hard. I almost have no sensitivity whatsoever at the tip. Plus when it comes to penetration, most of the women I have talked to prefer the feeling of an un-cut penis. So basically I end up just focusing on my partners’ pleasure. I just get their kicks in and go leave to go masturbate later in the night or whatever. Or not. That shit got real old and it sort of killed me on the inside. Part of the reason why I don’t really have relationships anymore. I know sex isn’t everything to a relationship but I’m a guy (with a decreasing sex-drive) and I crave it. And no, it can’t just be with any woman. I want it to be with someone I can love. But enough about that.
I don’t hate my parents for the decision they made. They’re the gullible type, especially if it is information coming from an authority figure. It seemed like most people blindly followed the advice of doctors back in the day (especially in America). Nowadays I’m doing everything to restore the foreskin. There is a procedure but I doubt it’ll be 100%. Better than nothing, I suppose.
Thank you for sharing! I’m sorry if my post was upsetting in anyway.. I know it’s an upsetting topic but still! I’m glad your relationship with your parents isn’t effected.. again, thank you for being so open!
I have yet to meet (in person) anyone wearing “Christian” as a label (including churches I’ve been to) who, when presented with a choice between Genesis 17 and Titus 1, has ever yet sided with Titus 1. These are practitioners of another religion who insist on mis-labeling themselves “Christian.” Titus 1 clearly says the Genesis 17 is a “fable” (a fake story from the past) and a “commandment of men, that turns from the truth.” Assembly of God churches especially, always side with the Old Testament in all conflicts with the New Testament.
This sort of post, in conjunction with your amazing cosplays, make you even cooler. Thank you for speaking out against genital mutilation. The victims of this barbarity need our voices, because they cannot speak for themselves.
I can’t find any mention of forced foreskin retraction and it’s damaging effects. Sorry, but this is my main focal point since lack of knowledge about this often leads to the ruin of so many penises initially saved from the chop and is a major cause of the reason many Americans think foreskin is a problem in the 1st place.
I can tell you that having been circumcised at age 30 it was not pain free. Matter if fact a month later it still hurt. Took well over a year to fully heal. You must have interviewed superman.
Were you awake and unmedicated for the procedure??
You still had better pain management than an infant receives. And whatever pain you went through isn’t justification for routinely amputating part of a baby boy’s healthy, functional genitalia.
In my country, people are taught the opposite. They are advised to do this because they are told that piece of skin can cause health issues.(there are also religious beliefs too…) As a man, if you are not circumcised you will not be easily accepted in the community and society would not approve it mostly because of religious reasons which I find ridiculous… So families are somehow forced to do it because they are under psychological pressure. But apart from that, they also believe that it is healthier for their son. Anyway…
So, instead of traumatising their 8-10 year old “conscious” son, some parents prefer to do this when he is just a baby. Because they believe that he won’t remember anything. They are not being cruel, but trying to help their kid actually… Most of them, including me, do not know about the information on this website.
My boyfriend told me he was circumcised when he was a lot older. So he was really terrified and still cannot forget about what he has been through. So we were always talking about doing this as early as we can if we had a baby boy. I am totally in shock now…And I am glad that I found out about this information. We were always told that removal of this skin is necessary because of hygiene&health related issues. And I think no doctor cares to explain this horrifying truth about circumcision in very early ages. So people just do it cause they think it will be better…
I will definitely let everybody know about this!